I LOVE what you did on the Rick Nowels' page. I've been adding missing data on most producers and songwriters' pages taken from albums booklets and websites such as AllMusic or the producers' pages, and while it integrated useful information, it looked weird, and as I don't know much about editing websites. Your edit looks SO MUCH better and easy to read!!!
Thank you + have an awesome day!
Hey, thanks for the feedback! I'd seen that you've been updating the writers/producers pages with more production info (which I have to thank you for as it's something I've wanted to see on the wiki for a while but couldn't face doing myself lol), and thought a tabular format might be a clearer way to display all the info you've collated. I know what you mean about editing, it can get complicated really quickly - I actually had the page as a draft first to make sure I wasn't gonna mess anything up. Hopefully I'll be able to go through some other pages and unify the style at some point. Anyways, thanks again, and have a great day too! 😊
Thanks for the reply! That was such a sweet thing to read!
I'm a sucker for music composition and weird audio stuff, so I've been trying my best to search, find and add source-based information and tidbits that might be interesting and useful for other readers. Sorry if any typos or mistakes, I usually readproof and draft my edits, but I will always edit again if any errors. I've been co-editing back and forth with user @B0dyel3ctricc, who would correct or edit my contributions to make it better.
Once again, thanks for the amazing new tabular format on Grandpa Rick's page, I would have done it that way from the beginning if I knew how to do so, but I don't, hahah. So your edit makes it all easier!
Thank you (yes, a third time!) and have a great rest of the day <3
Is there a way to prohibit page editing by the unregistered users? Or at least to lock the "Chemtrails Over the Country Club" page from editing until further announcements? Recently, there has been a lot of vandalising and fake information, especially for "Tracklist" section.
Hey, thanks for messaging me about this. I've deleted the pages which should make the page history harder to find. As far as I can remember, there is no available function to delete page history outright due to copyright issues? Happy to be told I'm wrong on that point though.
Additionally, I'm not really sure what to do about this song, I feel like having no reference to the song is not in the spirit of Lanapedia - we say in our about that we are aiming to create "the largest and most complete fan resource for Lana Del Rey" so pretending like the track doesn't exist would be contrary to our main objective. That being said, it appears Lana does not want this song out there, more so than any other leak, and I think we should accommodate her wishes here. Could we perhaps have a page on it under "Unknown title" or something similar? This would technically be true, as we don't know the official title, and it wouldn't give people enough to find the track. It goes without saying that we would not include any lyrics (lyrics are copyrighted anyway and we would have no leg to stand on if we tried to include them).
Does this seem like an acceptable solution to you?
I think we can make a page called "Unknown title" and add some details about the song. Also, it is better to be locked from further editing, like no one else except for the admins to edit it, because people will probably want to edit it later.
Calling the page just Unknown Title would be weird in my opinion, because the title has been confirmed with the leak. In my opinion I think we should do it like how we do regular unreleased pages, with info about the song and it's title, except we could remove the song lyrics and not allow actual download / listening links to the song.
I wish that the lyrics could be added too but I understand why they wouldn't be. I just don't think the page should be entirely deleted because pretending the song doesn't exist kinda goes against what Wiki is about.
I’m personally comfortable with either option, I agree with the general theme of no lyrics or links, and locking the page once it’s set up. I suppose the community can decide whether we should include the title or not?
Wait, did an anonymous user do that? I didn't see. But I think the song is really called Have a Baby, because it leaked that way and all these leakers like Honeymouns are calling it that. Probably more trustworthy than an anon user.
Haecandrome wrote: I’m personally comfortable with either option, I agree with the general theme of no lyrics or links, and locking the page once it’s set up. I suppose the community can decide whether we should include the title or not?
I also prefer the one line one, but since those are both pretty big due to the fact that the album title is so long, I was thinking we could create a logo just with the acronym "NFR!" like how it is displayed on the clean album cover.
Also, I found a registration of “Talking like an Answering Machine” on Buma/Stemra and the IPI code for her name is exactly the same like the one from the picture above (641419461). I think this confirm that it is also her song.
Since a video of "Color Blue" from YouTube was taken down due to copyright infringement and in the copyright claim it appeared as "Wild One - Fusion Mix", should we merge the 2 pages and delete the "Color Blue" page?
Are the titles from these copyright claims always legit or could be a mistake?
I've been having a look online but I can't find any documentary evidence that it was struck down under that title? I know Honeymouns (sp?) has said that it was but is there any information beyond that? I notice that their upload was actually titled "Lana Del Rey - Wild One" which may be affecting how it was taken down as well.
If there is more information, the pages should probably be merged, but if it's a single account making the claim based on the way they uploaded their video I'd hold off until we know more.
Shazam works like Spotify and iTunes in the sense that songs can be uploaded by anyone with whatever details they like . It's more difficult that changing lyrics on Genius, but it's not particularly unusual to see - a similar thing happened to "Brooklyn Nights" by Lady Gaga and "Sculpture" by Allie X (plus a whole host of other artists). I wouldn't immediately trust Shazam with this one. Shazaming "Architecture", which we know to be officially called "Architecture" based on numerous copyright take downs, comes up with the song being called "Best American Record".
As well as this, numerous unreleased songs aren't recognised by Shazam - including ones that as far as we know went very far into the production process, so why would rough takes from 2013 be Shazam-able? It's actually interesting, because only unreleased songs leaked relatively recently seem to actually be on Shazam which leads me to believe a fan is distributing the newer songs. So, I'm not sure at the moment, I personally would recommend leaving the pages separate but providing information on both that there may be a link.
Well, I was thinking that if the song is registered on publishing websites, then it would be easier from Shazam to identify them. But maybe I am wrong.
However, if this is “Wild One”, then I have the following dilema: we know that “Wild One” is co-written by Justin Parker, but he didn’t produced it. The leaker said is not a well-known producer (they won’t give out the name). But Parker always produced his demos with Lana and different producers were involved only for final productions. Could be there more versions of this song?
Songs that are registered to music publishing sites won't automatically be recognisable to Shazam - this is because to get a song registered you don't have to upload any kind of audio and Shazam will need access to that audio in order to recognise the song. As far as I can tell, songs will only be on Shazam if they are, have been, or are going to be, available via some kind of online music retailer or streaming service. I tried a few more songs to see what Shazam would say. Firstly, it recognised "Cherry Blossom" despite it not being registered anywhere, it recognised "Because of You", which is recognised, but listed the artist as "Unreleased" - fueling my suspicion that this is being done by a fan, it didn't recognise "Resistance", though, which is also registered. If it is a fan, all they need to do is get an online distributor to distribute the audio to Shazam - this can sometimes be done at a very low price.
Ultimately, I still don't trust Shazam as a source on these matters. If more copyright strikes show that it is some kind of version of "Wild One" and there's a decent amount of evidence to that effect then that would probably be enough - or obviously if Lana/Justin confirm that it is.
Regardless of its title, it very may well be related to Wild One - it could be an early version kind of like Living Without You or Coca Colla that she brought into a session with Justin, or just an early take of the actual song and we have the dates wrong - but that's completely speculating on my part. It'd be fun if there were more versions though, either way. :)
Lana released a snippet on her Instagram on 31 December 2018 but later deleted it. It's likely going to be on NFR but we don't even know the official title yet. I'm surprised someone hasn't made a page for it to date, perhaps I should get on that. The video posted there has just extended the snippet she put on instagram by repeating a few parts a couple of times! It sounds like a great song though, personally I can't wait. :)